{"id":562,"date":"2013-05-28T10:00:26","date_gmt":"2013-05-28T15:00:26","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.foell.org\/justin\/?p=562"},"modified":"2014-12-09T10:31:35","modified_gmt":"2014-12-09T16:31:35","slug":"fridley-hates-pedestrians-part-3","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.foell.org\/justin\/fridley-hates-pedestrians-part-3\/","title":{"rendered":"Fridley Hates Pedestrians (Part 3) &#8211; MN-65 &#038; I-694"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Let&#8217;s say for a moment you&#8217;re a passenger on MetroTransit&#8217;s 10N northbound. You meant to get off at 52nd &amp; Central because you work at one of the retailers near 53rd and Central, but you missed your stop. The next stop is just north of 694, at Central &amp; Hackmann, by the Holiday Station. The fastest way to get back would be to walk south on Central.<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"thickbox\" href=\"https:\/\/www.foell.org\/justin\/files\/2013\/01\/10N-walking.png\" rel=\"gallery-562\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"620\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.foell.org\/justin\/fridley-hates-pedestrians-part-3\/10n-walking\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/www.foell.org\/justin\/files\/2013\/01\/10N-walking.png\" data-orig-size=\"1080,1457\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"10N-walking\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/www.foell.org\/justin\/files\/2013\/01\/10N-walking-759x1024.png\" class=\"alignnone size-large wp-image-620\" alt=\"10N-walking\" src=\"https:\/\/www.foell.org\/justin\/files\/2013\/01\/10N-walking-759x1024.png\" width=\"759\" height=\"1024\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.foell.org\/justin\/files\/2013\/01\/10N-walking-759x1024.png 759w, https:\/\/www.foell.org\/justin\/files\/2013\/01\/10N-walking-222x300.png 222w, https:\/\/www.foell.org\/justin\/files\/2013\/01\/10N-walking.png 1080w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 759px) 100vw, 759px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>However MnDOT (as much as they love the automobile) have forbidden pedestrians on Central Ave. between 53rd and Medtronic Pkwy. (where the 694 interchange resides). There are posted &#8220;no pedestrian&#8221; signs as well as no sidewalks anywhere in the area. So <em>legally<\/em> the shortest route for pedestrians is to cross 694 using the Matterhorn bridge, adding a full mile to the trip:<br \/>\n<!--more--><br \/>\n<a class=\"thickbox\" href=\"https:\/\/www.foell.org\/justin\/files\/2013\/01\/10N-walking-alt-1.png\" rel=\"gallery-562\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"621\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.foell.org\/justin\/fridley-hates-pedestrians-part-3\/10n-walking-alt-1\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/www.foell.org\/justin\/files\/2013\/01\/10N-walking-alt-1.png\" data-orig-size=\"1080,1087\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"10N-walking-alt-1\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/www.foell.org\/justin\/files\/2013\/01\/10N-walking-alt-1-1017x1024.png\" class=\"alignnone size-large wp-image-621\" alt=\"10N-walking-alt-1\" src=\"https:\/\/www.foell.org\/justin\/files\/2013\/01\/10N-walking-alt-1-1017x1024.png\" width=\"770\" height=\"775\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.foell.org\/justin\/files\/2013\/01\/10N-walking-alt-1-1017x1024.png 1017w, https:\/\/www.foell.org\/justin\/files\/2013\/01\/10N-walking-alt-1-150x150.png 150w, https:\/\/www.foell.org\/justin\/files\/2013\/01\/10N-walking-alt-1-298x300.png 298w, https:\/\/www.foell.org\/justin\/files\/2013\/01\/10N-walking-alt-1.png 1080w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 770px) 100vw, 770px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Or you can take the equally long route under 694 via 7th St.<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"thickbox\" href=\"https:\/\/www.foell.org\/justin\/files\/2013\/01\/10N-walking-alt-2.png\" rel=\"gallery-562\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"622\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.foell.org\/justin\/fridley-hates-pedestrians-part-3\/10n-walking-alt-2\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/www.foell.org\/justin\/files\/2013\/01\/10N-walking-alt-2.png\" data-orig-size=\"1080,1072\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"10N-walking-alt-2\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/www.foell.org\/justin\/files\/2013\/01\/10N-walking-alt-2-1024x1016.png\" class=\"alignnone size-large wp-image-622\" alt=\"10N-walking-alt-2\" src=\"https:\/\/www.foell.org\/justin\/files\/2013\/01\/10N-walking-alt-2-1024x1016.png\" width=\"770\" height=\"763\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.foell.org\/justin\/files\/2013\/01\/10N-walking-alt-2-1024x1016.png 1024w, https:\/\/www.foell.org\/justin\/files\/2013\/01\/10N-walking-alt-2-150x150.png 150w, https:\/\/www.foell.org\/justin\/files\/2013\/01\/10N-walking-alt-2-300x297.png 300w, https:\/\/www.foell.org\/justin\/files\/2013\/01\/10N-walking-alt-2.png 1080w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 770px) 100vw, 770px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Of course people are just going to walk down Central Ave. You can see the &#8220;<a title=\"Twin Cities Sidewalks Hamline Desire Path\" href=\"http:\/\/tcsidewalks.blogspot.com\/2011\/09\/sidewalk-of-week-desire-hamline-avenue.html\">desire paths<\/a>&#8221; worn into the grass. I often see pedestrians heading south on this path to go to work, or carrying grocery bags while going north, to head home.<\/p>\n<h2>MnDOT&#8217;s solution, still part of the problem<\/h2>\n<p>To alleviate the problem, MnDOT has requested that some pedestrian facilities be added to this intersection during the next maintenance period. Engineers, as by-the-books as they are, came up with this:<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"thickbox\" href=\"https:\/\/www.foell.org\/justin\/files\/2013\/05\/MN65-I694-Interchange.png\" rel=\"gallery-562\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"926\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.foell.org\/justin\/fridley-hates-pedestrians-part-3\/mn65-i694-interchange\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/www.foell.org\/justin\/files\/2013\/05\/MN65-I694-Interchange.png\" data-orig-size=\"877,1541\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"MN65-I694-Interchange\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/www.foell.org\/justin\/files\/2013\/05\/MN65-I694-Interchange-582x1024.png\" class=\"alignnone size-large wp-image-926\" alt=\"MN65-I694-Interchange\" src=\"https:\/\/www.foell.org\/justin\/files\/2013\/05\/MN65-I694-Interchange-582x1024.png\" width=\"582\" height=\"1024\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.foell.org\/justin\/files\/2013\/05\/MN65-I694-Interchange-582x1024.png 582w, https:\/\/www.foell.org\/justin\/files\/2013\/05\/MN65-I694-Interchange-170x300.png 170w, https:\/\/www.foell.org\/justin\/files\/2013\/05\/MN65-I694-Interchange.png 877w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 582px) 100vw, 582px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Pedestrians walking in the median? It&#8217;s almost as bad as a purposefully designed <a title=\"Tour of the \" href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=zWG49xlZ_eQ\">diverging diamond interchange&#8217;s terrible pedestrian facilities<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Getting through this intersection is not meant to be a walk in the park. People who use this intersection wish to cross it as quickly as possible. The MnDOT design does make pedestrians cross at already signaled intersections, but it&#8217;s too complicated. Pedestrians are expected to wait for four (4) walk signals, and during the process they&#8217;ll wind up on the other side of Central Ave. I think at best, 50% of the people that cross this intersection are going to use the MnDOT facilities. The other 50% are going to continue on the east side as they always have.<\/p>\n<p>An actual permanent fix for this wouldn&#8217;t come cheap. A while back <a title=\"Pedestrian crossings at a trunk highway &amp; interstate\" href=\"http:\/\/www.strongtowns.net\/forum\/topics\/pedestrian-crossings-at-a-trunk-highway-interstate\">I brought up the issue on Strong Towns<\/a>. The best option (in my opinion) was the one suggested by Jeffrey Jakucyk:<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"thickbox\" href=\"https:\/\/www.foell.org\/justin\/files\/2013\/05\/mn65-jj.jpg\" rel=\"gallery-562\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"927\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.foell.org\/justin\/fridley-hates-pedestrians-part-3\/mn65-jj\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/www.foell.org\/justin\/files\/2013\/05\/mn65-jj.jpg\" data-orig-size=\"683,707\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"mn65-jj\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/www.foell.org\/justin\/files\/2013\/05\/mn65-jj.jpg\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-927\" alt=\"mn65-jj\" src=\"https:\/\/www.foell.org\/justin\/files\/2013\/05\/mn65-jj.jpg\" width=\"683\" height=\"707\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.foell.org\/justin\/files\/2013\/05\/mn65-jj.jpg 683w, https:\/\/www.foell.org\/justin\/files\/2013\/05\/mn65-jj-289x300.jpg 289w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 683px) 100vw, 683px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>It simply changes the on ramps on northbound Central Ave.\/MN-65 into 90-degree right turns. It will make drivers slow down to turn and also puts pedestrians in their immediate view. Besides, uninterrupted on-ramps (despite what engineers think) are not a God given right.<\/p>\n<p>See also:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a title=\"Fridley Hates Pedestrians\" href=\"https:\/\/www.foell.org\/justin\/fridley-hates-pedestrians\/\">Fridley Hates Pedestrians<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"Fridley Hates Pedestrians (Part 2)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.foell.org\/justin\/fridley-hates-pedestrians-part-2\/\">Fridley Hates Pedestrians (Part 2)<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"Fridley Hates Pedestrians (Part 4) \u2013 44th Ave. Bridge\" href=\"https:\/\/www.foell.org\/justin\/fridley-hates-pedestrians-part-4\/\">Fridley Hates Pedestrians (Part 4)<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"Fridley Hates Pedestrians (Part 5) \u2013 Share the Road\" href=\"https:\/\/www.foell.org\/justin\/fridley-hates-pedestrians-part-5\/\">Fridley Hates Pedestrians (Part 5)<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<div class='kindleWidget kindleLight' ><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.foell.org\/justin\/wp-content\/plugins\/send-to-kindle\/media\/white-15.png\" \/><span>Send to Kindle<\/span><\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Let&#8217;s say for a moment you&#8217;re a passenger on MetroTransit&#8217;s 10N northbound. You meant to get off at 52nd &amp; Central because you work at one of the retailers near 53rd and Central, but you missed your stop. The next stop is just north of 694, at Central &amp; Hackmann, by the Holiday Station. 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